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you're saying here that Pölker didn't have sex with Ilse, that it was a fantasy? That's not how I read this passage at all -- I definitely thought they f*cked and that's such a poignant and painful situation Pynchon sets up with Ilse -- that Weismann is controlling him by placing him in this officially incestial sexual dependency that even if Weismann was sending different girls each year, Pölker at least had to keep up the pretense that she was his daughter so he could get his annual sex vacation, a situation Weismann could turn into blackmail if needed. I'm rereading the beginning of this section now and also rereading your post, and I think my darker, more perverted reading is true and you're too good-hearted and innocent yourself to see it, as a high school teacher should be. We definitely have a Humbert Humbert here.

Here's a great guided tour through the top passage: https://biblioklept.org/2016/11/13/a-place-must-be-made-for-innocence-gravitys-rainbow-annotations-and-illustrations-for-page-419/

"[William] Blake’s Songs share much in common with Pynchon’s big novel—both argue for the preterite, pointing out the ways in which industrial technologies exploit the most vulnerable among us; both are wildly, acidly vivid; both employ metaphors of fall and ascent; both foreground the utterly real humanity of their subjects."

"a child city counsel of twelve" -- from Pynchon Wiki https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pages_397-433: he name evokes Jacob's twelve sons (and the daughter who is not one of the official twelve). This pattern is self-consciously repeated in the Grimms' tale "The Twelve Brothers", where the boys are to die if their mother gives birth to a girl.

The camp, which is also a quasi-town, may be modelled after Theresienstadt, the Jewish town/Lager set up by the Nazis in what is now the Czech Republic. This is suggested by themes like transit, phoney children's paradise, as well as the large orchestra, or the number 60,000 (the number of those who "passed through" Zwölfkinder as well the population of Theresienstadt at its peak). It also recalls another totalitarian institution, that of the communist "children's towns" (large, town-like, somewhat militarized holiday camps for Young Pioneers), whose prototype was Artek in the Soviet Union. (Deutsches Jungvolk also had its summer camps.)"

Tierpark = zoo

Hoard of the Nibelungen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibelung -- Nibelung looks to be associated with dwarfs and small people. First link above connects this with GR page 516, which maybe I should just quote then, but that points to the 1936 movie Freaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJVXTKkjsxA&t=45s

Glass Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glass_Mountain_(fairy_tale)

Hugo Wolf -- Lieder, mostly

Zwölfkinder itself as the place/idea is made up by pynchon for this setting but these types of things did exist in weimar as far as I know

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I agree with Andrew on this one. Pölker's incestous fantasies are undoubtedly real and, in my opinion, all the chapter's silent negotiations between Pölker and Weissmann are modulated on the repressed istinct of the engineer (“every quirk goes in the dossier,

gambler, foot-fetishist or soccer fan, it's all important, it can all

be used. Right now we have to keep them happy, or at least neutralize

the foci of their unhappiness"). In the light of these informations, revealed during the first time at Zwolfkinder, i read some of Pölker's previous actions in the chapter (“Major Weissman had bought her sweets, and had asked her to say hello and sorry he couldn't stay long enough to see Pölker Weissmann? What was this? A blinking, tentative fury grew in Pölker" and "His daytime work had started to go better. Others were not so distant, and more apt to look in his eyes. They'd met Use, and been charmed. If he saw anything else in their faces, he ignored it"). I would suggest that those reactions are not caused by paternal concerns, but by Pölker's intimate jealousy towards other people's fantasies for daughter; in this way Pynchon is emphasizing again the inherent and structural nihilistic (morally and ontologically) perversity of nazism. Everyone here just wants to 'rape' the future. Even Pölker's suspicion about his daughter's annual replacement is nothing more than a mechanism used to partially coexist with his instincts, which he does not give in to because, as we see at the end of the chapter, it seems to maintain a minimum, even if it's too late, sense of morality.

Surely a very ambiguous chapter (Pölker's instinct can be interpreted both as a historical political essence and, narratively, as a brutal manifestation of Pölker's attraction to his childhood).

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